Tuesday, August 5, 2008

Tex's Traffic Report

Lying Cowardly Kingpins, Quixtar, Amway, Prague, debates, insults, civil discourse, and a man on a mission to end the Tool Scam. These are some of things that people come to Tex's Quixtar Blog to read about.

Where do they come from? Alabama, Hawaii, Canada, California, Texas, Michigan, Illinois, Sweden, Norway, The Netherlands, and most recently Bangalor, India.

How many visit? Since the blog's inception over 6000 visits have been recorded, although they aren't unique visits by 6000 different people; Tex's Quixtar Blog averages over 30 visitors a day. Somebody is reading his message. And if the Comments section of each blog entry is any evidence; there's a good conversation going on here, with many more listeners than speakers.

Not bad for eight months. Tex's message is getting out there.


Tex said...

Wow, interesting. Is there a report that shows all the locations, or did you already list all of them?

Here's my guesses:

Hawaii-Joecool, Canada-drvnvcr, Rockette?,
Texas-Tex?, Michigan-MichMan/Amway/ajgannon/Orrin, Illinois-Bitchett,
Sweden-ibofb, Norway-ibofb's gay lover,
The Netherlands-ibofb's other gay lover,
Bangalor, India-ibofb's gay lover cow.

No Aussies? No NZ'ers? England? 46 other states? Just like the business, we've only started to scratch the scratch of the surface, Dave.

Come on people (and Orrin), SPEAK UP!!!

David Robison said...


Here's a few from today and there are Aussie's on the list.

United States Chicago, Illinois
United States Lansing, Michigan
United States Evansville, Indiana
Sweden Stockholm, Stockholms Lan
India Jamshedpur, Jharkhand
United States Scottsdale, Arizona
United States El Paso, Texas
Canada Clairmont, Alberta
India Visakhapatnam, Andhra Pradesh
United States Flint, Michigan
Australia Byron Bay, New South Wales
United States Carol Stream, Illinois

You can track your visitors by hitting the little Sitemeter Logo in your side bar.

xbeliever said...

Well I am aussie and I am not from Byron Bay either. I have visited here probably 5 or 6 times.

xbeliever said...

"scratch the scratch on the surface" = tapespeak!

tes said...


I'm glad it's someone else from Byron Bay, that means there are at least 2 Aussies looking. Have you submitted a complaint to your FTC equivalent about the tool scam, and encouraged others to do the same.

I know the "scratch" comment is tapespeak, I said that in the original comment.

However, I don't find "tapespeak" to be totally useless, just because it is connected to the tool scam. It's called emotional intelligence, or not throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

tex said...

The above "Tes" is Tex.

tex said...

I just submitted the following on the "Real Quixtar Blog" site, I wonder whether it will get posted, and more importantly, addressed.


Speaking of "I am Amway Global", when is there going to be a response to the 2 recent lawsuits filed in Texas? See http://www.amquix.info/amquix_whats_new.html, August 12th and 15th entries. These are both MUCH bigger issues than the curiosity approach or eaches. The Amway/Alticor blogs have been "dead" for months. I get the idea you want to promote your own agenda, but you also need to figure out how to shine some light on the other side of the issues so you don't appear to be a "Gestapo" organization. Even a high level, legalistic, non-statement statement with comments disabled is better than silence. Welcome to the internet age.

Anonymous said...

Yep and Yep.

EDITOR'S NOTE: Oh Tex. Sigh. Really? You said "Gestapo?" Oh well. The "size" of an issue depends on your perspective, I guess, although I don't know how a lawsuit about insurance is bigger than deceptive business practices. You will have to approach the administrator for Amway/Alticor blogs to determine when they will post again. I honestly don't know what's happening with the lawsuits so there's nothing I could possibly say about them. This has been true for litigation in general. Our legal counsel likes to abide by court directives to keep things confidential. We need to let the process work itself out, I guess!
P.S. I agree with you on eaches discussion, although I'm sure there are exceptions to every rule. It's just very hard trying to be all things to all people in this business. With regard to your comments to GA, I think business reputation and the curiosity approach go hand in hand -- the first necessitated the other. That said, the curiosity approach is itself contributing to reputation issues. People don't like it when IBOs don't give them straight answers to the question "Is this Amway?" -- RL
EDITOR'S NOTE: Tex ... yes, I know, you never say those things. You only repeat what others are saying. Show me where someone compared us to a Gestapo organization. Until you told me in your comment that there were such lawsuits, I wasn't even aware of them. Besides, transparency doesn't mean you have to "blurt out" a statement the second happens. The courtesy of a response is always appreciated, of course.
And you're right, transparency doesn't mean you have to "blurt out" that you represent Amway. It does mean that you don't obfuscate that you do when asked a direct question. I don't think I've ever said that there isn't room for concepting. I understand that. After awhile, however, some people go through several different "concepting" approaches and they begin to recognize the signs and ask, "Is this Amway?" At that point, it would be dishonest to say anything but "Yes."RL

tex said...


Feel free to post my response to Robin if/when it gets posted.

tex said...


As I believe you know, I agree with you on the tool problem. ---- To be clear, the tool problem is too much money is being made on tools versus Amway profit.

However, as I mentioned to you in Prague, I don’t concur with you that the solution is the lowering of tool prices. ---- Lowering prices will lower tool profit, assuming the amount of tool consumption is constant or reduced. Tool profit could even be lower than current levels if tool prices are reduced at a higher rate than an amount of increased amount of tool consumption. The only combination of reduced tool prices that results in more tool profit is if the amount of tool consumption is at a higher rate than the amount of tool price decrease.

I understand the logic you’re using, and I know how you believe it. ---- I don't think you do, because I have stated the amount of tool profit should be limited to a percentage of Amway profit, such as 50%.

However, as I look at the whole picture it misses taking into account one major thing. ---- You are missing part of the picture.

Most of the tools are unnecessary to build the business. ---- If you want to build a huge retail business as you have done, I agree. However, I view that as another job, not a business ownership scenario. A network of IBO's with each having at least the minimum amount of retail sales is a business ownership scenario, and I believe tools will leverage everyone's time.

The System leaders sell the Plan by showing lots of material possessions and saying if you want them, sit your butt in the seat at the meeting to learn how to do so. ---- That's right, and when the tool scam is taken away, they will have to scale down these "goodies."

And the new IBO does so. ---- Yes, but you are assuming the continuation of the tool scam. I assume the tool scam is GONE.

But how much of that stuff is really necessary? ---- As I stated above, if you want to leverage your time, all of it is necessary.

It is if the objective is to sell you on the System and get you, the new IBO, to fill rows of seats. (That’s why I call the System business “the butts in seats business.”) ---- Nothing wrong with group teaching, as long as you're not being scammed. Major Functions could include all crossline groups, which would dramatically reduce travel expenses, if the topics were confined to motivation and product/selling skills, and leave the specific technique training confined to monthly seminars and other training opportunities.

The real objective needs to be to teach someone how build an Amway business, and most of the tools teach little to nothing about that subject, which would start with product knowledge and sales training. ---- Product knowledge and sales training is a part of training necessary, but only a part, assuming you want to build a network business ownership model business.

Therefore, lowering the prices does not solve the problem. ---- Yes it does, see above.

The Systems will just get the IBOs to buy more units of the tools at the lower prices to achieve the same revenue. ---- No they won't, see above.

There must be control of content, and stopping the lies about the source of income. ---- The content will change based on what produces the maximum Amway income.

There is a fundamental methodology about the framework for building the Business in the way it was designed for and in which the Founders expected it to be done. ---- The Founders dropped the ball. I saw a video of Rich on the Quixtar site a couple of months ago, and he talks about each IBO having a modest amount of customers and sponsoring other IBO's that do the same. Your particular business structure is NOT duplicatable (not that you and some others shouldn't have a large retail business, that's your choice).

There is room for flexibility within that framework, though. ---- Agreed, but not as much "flexibility" the tool scam represents.

One way to control content is to have the Corporation produce and distribute all tools, but allow requests and creative input from the leaders. ---- Another way is to have an accreditation program that monitors content.

This was done to an extent years ago when the Company would put out audio and video tapes of major leaders. ---- This could be done again, but it's not the only way to make it work.

Finally, the notion of telling IBOs to buy only what they need is fallacious. ---- Totally agree, most IBO's have never owned a business before.

An IBO won’t know what he/she does or doesn’t need until they are in the Business for a long time or have reached a higher level like Platinum and above. ---- Agree again.

Only then will they have the experience to look back and say, “I could have done without that.” ---- Agree again. That's why limiting tool profit to some amount proportional and less than Amway profit (for instance, 50%) provides the economic incentive to not only make tools, but ensure the tools are effective, in that they produce Amway profit.

Actually, it would be helpful to know your business structure. How much personal retail, how many legs, volume in each leg, source of profit in each leg (mostly network or mostly retail?), which legs do you support and which does the upline support with tools?

tex said...

I attended the free National Spotlight event in Omaha this weekend. It didn't seem overly crowded as I've heard other venues have been, but there appeared to be several hundred IBO's. A/Q indicated they have tallied a total of about 35,000 IBO's and 8,500 non-IBO's attended the previous 5 events. At this rate, about 70,000 IBO's, or around 14% of IBO's will attend, assuming 500,000 total. I have attended a single function that had more IBO's than this, and paid for the "privilege" of being there as well. There were vehicle license plates from all over the upper Great Plains area. I doubt many LCK's are making this a high priority event, as it takes away from their main money generator, the Major Functions, as well as lesser sources, the books, CD's, web sites, voice mail, Opens, Seminars, etc.

There were 2 concurrent, repeating themes, one for business related issues (selling from an IBO's perspective, an A/Q corporate update, and and IBOAI update/lies), and another for selling from an A/Q perspective (Artistry skin care, Nutrilite, and Ribbons gifts/incentives).

Joe Pici, an Emerald (Emerald pin, I doubt he's a currently qualifying Emerald, as he's been an Emerald for several years, and has apparently never achieved the Founders Emerald level) did a decent job of promoting retail. Although as I have pointed out numerous times, it should be understood increasing retail without getting rid of the tool scam will only enable the LCK's to promote the tool scam even harder, and expect a higher percentage of IBO's to get ripped off, as their newfound retail profit should be spent on the various tool scam activities. He didn't follow the handout very well, skipping around and skipping some of the handout completely. To Joe's credit, he talked openly, and even asked for a show of hands, about how many IBO's were told no selling was required. He also was the only speaker who gave out notes, which would have been an improvement for the other sessions. He never mentioned retail sales are required by rule in order to qualify for downline volume bonus, however. Joe also made mention of a blog that criticized his earlier National Spotlight training sessions, although I didn't see any in a quick blog search.

The A/Q update was a good overview, given by Jim Bos, who I have crossed paths with via e-mail and on the telephone. Nice guy, just not very helpful. I asked him after his presentation if he was the "SOPA" (a Navy term, Senior Officer Present Afloat), and he indicated Steve Lieberman was attending, and I said I would like to chat with Steve, but Jim didn't have his cell phone number (he offered this lack of information without me even asking). Typical corporate type.

Jim was as helpful as helping me with the tool scam, discussing rules changes required to make them not "unconscionable", or not enforcing their requirements for the immediate sponsor to conduct training/motivating their first level IBO's, or get the upline Platinum or above to do so, a rule I attempted to get A/Q to enforce
in order to get access to Opens and Seminars after Orrin and Co. were booted last year, in other words, NOT helpful at all. So, I was on my own to find Steve, but at least I knew he was there, and I knew what he looks like. I found Steve on the event floor between a couple of presentations, he did not wear his "Hello, My Name Is" nametage like the rest of the A/Q employees, but LCK George Peintner had his head so far up his butt I almost offered to help Steve with removing the human enema from his presence. Actually, George's face was about a foot in front of Steve's, and the Dallas Cowboy cheerleaders could have been doing their routine naked and Steve wouldn't have been able to see them. After waiting for about 5 minutes, another A/Q retail training session was being given I wanted to see, so I decided I would try to find Steve again after the session. I looked after a couple of other training sessions, and didn't see him again.

The IBOAI presentation was complete BS, given by LCK Scott Holland, who has been on the IBOAI for 3 years, and is now on the Legal/Rules committee, and was disgraceful. He poked fun and put down A/Q a couple of times, complaining the product prices are too high after checking there were no A/Q employees present, and even asked the IBO's to raise their hands if they agreed (I was tempted to stand up and say "Not nearly as inflated as the tool scam prices"), and the search function on the Quixtar site sucked. LCK Scott Holland did mention how great the IBOAI site is, and even mentioned their Gestapo blog that kicked me off several months ago for raising the tool scam profit issue. He made vague reference to problems over the past few years (Orrin, not mentioned by name or the specific issues), and continually bragged about how much great stuff the IBOAI does for the $9 annual fee, which didn't amount to a hill of beans. He even "bragged" about the event retail sales change, which took 2.5 years to get through the process. Of course, the IBOAI hasn't acted on any of the issues mentioned above in the Jim Bos section either, so I continue to encourage ALL IBO's to write A/Q and get your $9 back. LCK Scott Holland also mentioned a few times IBO's should "work your way up" to doing retail, as if this were a new requirement.

The A/Q retailing sessions were generally very good, both entertaining and with good techniques/insights, and included Nutrilite, Artistry skin care, and the Ribbon gift program. It should be noted A/Q never mentioned the mandatory nature of retailing to qualify for downline volume bonus either, which means NONE of the presentations mentioned this requirement. So much for "First Circle", which was NEVER mentioned by name.

Nobody mentioned the tool scam either (no surprise there), although this is where the vast majority of profit is made by the LCK's, while keeping most IBO's at a net loss until they reach the Platinum level and can sucker several dozen other IBO's to get scammed like they were.

The booth areas were also good, but I didn't spend a lot of time with them, and plan to spend more time when I visit another location later this year.

There was a noted talk of partnership from both sides, but none visible. In fact, there was zero interaction between the LCK's and corporate types. If one was on stage, the other was off, and there were breaks between sessions, so they didn't even introduce each other or show up on the stage at the same time. The new IBO probably wouldn't notice it, but it was an open raw wound for those who have been around a while.

tex said...

The above August 17th response to "The Big Apple" is probably the end of that particular discussion. He responded via e-mail, after being reminded, which he asked me not to post, so I won't. However, I will say the e-mail was NOT responsive to the original discussion.

It is unfortunate someone with a different perspective is not willing to interact.

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