Tuesday, July 1, 2008

"A Good Human Being"

Today an anonymous commenter left a comment on an older entry here at Tex's Quixtar Blog. The original entry was "The Neverending Quixtar/Amway Tool Scam."

Anonymous is new to the USA and his entry may have been written using a "translator program" or s/he is just getting used to writing in English--but despite Anonymous's syntax and paragraph structure; their message is still crystal clear.

IBOs must be honest and forthright with prospecting and they way they conduct opportunity meetings. How much longer do IBOs think they can deceive people and STILL stay in business?

Anonymous said...
Hi Everyone

This programm really sucks.. If its really genuine business they should be open enough what they are going to do and what should i to earn money whatever they say..

I am new to California, coming from India for a business trip. When I tried to contact people from social community. One of the guy whom I met in net, said ur very ambitious and so on.. I will suggest you something which will make ur dream come true very soon..

K lets see I said. He took me for a meeting like Brainstorming session.. one gentleman started to address the session nicely.. He started with building sw BWW and talked abt Quixtar.. And said he can retire at the age of 35+ and earn million by just doing this business..
I didnt find any logic what he is talking about.. Interesting thing is I can see lot people from highly designated professionals from software side... Everyone talking about early retirement by joining this Quixstar business.. If they are right almost 70 percentage of population doesnt need to do full time job.... Then where does the money comes from... Hope everyone agress with me...

After some weeks one more guy called me, hey I will introduce to group of people who are business man.. They will help you to start businness as a part time.. I asked him is it Quixstar... No no He said.. but still i doubted him...

So whats there lets go and attend that meetin too.. After few minutes this another set of people with same presentation they started talking..

They way convience people is as if they are certain that you will earn thousands of dollar as soon as you join the team.. No way...

The beautiful part all the people whom I met till they end they have nt said anything how one is going to make money either its comission when u join new one or sell a product or something else...

I got only one answer.. First you join you will get to know everything...

This says everything what this business is rgt..

Let me tell u something... No one can earn money by simply sitting at home and talkin to peoples.. The peoples who works for company and go at office are fools...

Now its upto you r u want to be fool or good human being..

I want global community to ban this fraud group..

50 comments:

Tex said...

If products are moved, you get paid money. When you are directly and indirectly responsible for moving more products, you get paid more. It's quite simple.

The part that isn't simple is the tool scam. The tool scam is hidden from prospects/IBO's. Thanks to the internet, the tool scam is crumbling. Contact the FTC via their web site and submit a complaint. NO TOOL SCAM!

Don't just complain on the blogs folks, contact your Senior, Representative, at the federal, state and local levels, the media, etc. We can stop the tool scam, but it takes action, not just bitching.

Tex said...

For anyone who hasn't seen this entry on ibofb's site, The Big Apple told me most of what is below several months ago, and I have kept it in confidence as he requested. However, me correctly calling the upline LCK's is mild compared to the below behavior. You guys get your underwear (and panties, for Bridgett) bunched up over the tiniest things compared to the below behavior. Talk about childish and immature, and these are YOUR leaders, ripping you off and turning around and playing "kissy face" when they are in your presence. Disgusting. If you don't contact the FTC and complain, you don't deserve to be called an American, you wussies.

IBOFightBack wrote:

QUOTE:
The IBOAI is not "ALL" Diamonds. I suspect however that most North American leaders, like many North American IBOs, would have believed the name change back to Amway would be a huge burden on the business. I agree - if there was no reputation campaign to support it, which there is. Big Apple though is trying to spin it as if "opposition" was primarily about BSM, which is ridiculous.


IBOFB,

With respect to your knowledge and your intellect, in this instance, you are absolutely wrong. You don't know what you're talking about because you are uninformed or misinformed on this subject. You weren't here in the U.S., and you didn't attend the "Steve and Doug Town Hall Meetings" that were held for Pin Emeralds and above. I was. I attended the New York City meeting, and a Pin Triple Diamond IBO I am friends with and confer with regularly was at the Chicago meeting. It was NOT a happy sight. My friend's words about the Chicago meeting were, "it was a blood bath."

Doug and Steve were ripped apart by these guys in Chicago about the return to the Amway name. The New York City (Teaneck NJ, actually) meeting was more polite, but they were pointed and insistent. Diamond after Diamond got up and tore the decision apart. The New York Emeralds and Diamonds brought sharp pencils. They were making arguments based on numbers.

It was amazing to see Doug and Steve sit there and listen, and be totally gracious. I was one of the very few IBOs that supported the decision, but scolded them for the inaction that led to where we were now. Doug, knowing me for a long time, publically kidded me about something, but took to heart what I said. A Diamond, who was in the major System I plugged in to, got very nasty with me when I engaged him in conversation about my support of the decision. (The man didn't know me personally.) This man viciously verbally slammed me; it really took me aback.

After the main meeting ended, I was talking to Jim Payne, Executive Vice President of Alticor who oversees North America, Europe, Japan, Korea, Australia, New Zealand, India and Latin America. While I was mid-sentence, the EDC in whose organization I used to plug in to (and who knew me), came up to Mr. Payne, interrupted me without apology, and began lobbying him about the name change. This man has an international business, but he was concerned with his U.S. business. While it wasn't directly said, you knew from listening why he was so panicked about the name change.

What was even more telling was the Quixtar Business Incentive breakout meeting afterwards. I was in the room with many of the Emeralds, Diamonds, and EDCs that I used to plug in with. They had not allowed me to attend any of their Emerald and above meetings within their System, so this Corporate meeting was my first opportunity to hear their "Emeralds and above" conversations. Let me tell you, that by the time I left the meeting, I was shocked!

One EDC stood up and told the Quixtar Sales Advisor that he needed the Emerald and Diamond bonuses to be larger and guaranteed for a longer period of time. This was because he needed it to be able to promote a six-figure income when he recruited someone. This guy was formerly an accountant, he had his numbers all put together, and boy did he use them.

A Diamond woman, who I had thought was just a wonderful person, said, "We do 90% of the work, we should get 90% of the money." That is an exact quote. She was against the lower level bonuses which took away from theirs. Another woman, I can't remember who, complained that if the QBI program was implemented (and it was), she would have to go back to work.

This attitude was universal among the System people there. Remember, we're talking Pin Emerald and above. This was a side that I'd never seen before and it really opened my eyes up. I knew they had an attitude, but not to this extent.

These leaders deceive the IBOs in their organizations masterfully.

IBOFB, this is not "spin" and it is certainly not ridiculous. These are facts, and it's time people know what's behind these men. I won't call them LCK's like Tex does, but I will call them masters of deception.

Anonymous said...

Since Chuck's blog has a standin moderator who is terrible, here's my latest retort to their stupid actions recently, since it will probably get modified or deleted:

The comment removed included the concept that cancer is a bad thing (plus a brilliant illustration of number of legs versus volume, and the resulting profit, but I digress), and so is the tool scam.

My Mother had 3 surgeries and 2 rounds of chemo to treat ovarian cancer. I held her hand for 3 days after her last surgery last fall, she was on a ventilator the entire time, and slipped from conscience to comatose during that time. Finally, we made the decision to remove the ventilator, and her racing heart (over 150 beats per minute, which couldn't be slowed down medically) finally stopped beating within a minute or two, as I held her hand for the last time.

Don't you, Bridgett, or anyone else try to lecture me about cancer. I have been complaining about the tool scam as a cancer well before she was diagnosed, and I will continue to do so.

I wasn't trying to make light of someone's cancer, I was showing how the tool scam is also a cancer. I can't do anything about any medical cancer, but I can and will do something about the tool scam cancer.

I couldn't care less if you ever speak to me again. If you want to see my full comment, go to my site.

Here we are, July 4th, and we have a bunch of wimps who can't stand up for themselves. If our Founding Fathers were as wimpy as the bunch of you, we would be having tea and crumpets every afternoon, right after we sang, "God Save the Queen."

I hope God doesn't have mercy on your soul for not doing everything you can against the tool scam. The same with the tool scammers. I believe when I meet my Mom again, Jesus will say, "well done, my good and faithful servant. Enter My Kingdom", and I will hear the gnashing of lying cowardly "kingpin" teeth and all of you wimps in hell.

Have a good day.

Tex said...

Above was me.

Tex said...

Here's my followup comment posted to Chuck's site:

For those of you slow on the uptake, my reference to the Founding Fathers is an analogy to "taxation without representation", just like we have with the tool scam. Just like the cancer analogy, it isn't meant to criticize or demean anyone, just to provide an analogy.

Here, I'll even hold your hand, but you have to file the complaint: https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/

quixtarisacult said...

Sometimes I am put off by foreign speaking people, but, you know what? wisdom and good common sense is given to all men. His comment describing his opinion of the Quixtar opportunity is first class, even if delivered through translation software.

At present, Amway believes people from the developing nations of the world to be a gold mine for their American Scam. I truly hope that these good people see through the deception and just turn these con men out on their tails! Better yet, these governments (communist or not) should outlaw their existence within their sovereign borders altogether.

Anonymous said...

Who are you referring to as being translated? Also, several foreign countries are way out in front of the U.S. in protecting their citizens against the scam, including Russia, India, and the UK.

David Robison said...

The "translation" reference was in regards to my original speculation that the commenter in the original post may have used a translation program to write his or her comment, as English is assumed to be a second language.

Tex said...

Thanks. Whether it was translated or not, he says he is from India and new to the U.S.

Facts are facts, regardless of language/translation. Much of what he described is merely a prospecting technique, the evil is the tool scam that sits behind the technique, and much less the specific technique itself.

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Anonymous said...

Submitted to Beth, I would be surprised if it gets posted. http://insidequixtar.opportunityzone.com/2008/07/08/Times-are-tough-they-keep-getting-tougher.aspx

Beth,

Then there's the tool scam.

Although I've been told by none other than Ron Mitchell that A/Q views the tool scam as nothing more than "free enterprise in action", and has no concerns about the level of tool profit, he didn't address why Rich DeVos must have been wrong in 1983 and why the UK judge kept the tool profits, which have been shut down since May 07, shut down to zero in the UK.

Now that Orrin Woodward has recently stated Emeralds and above typically made 4-5 times their Quixtar profit in tool profit, the question regarding the lies about the A/Q model is "alive and well."

Clean up your own room before you bring attention to other places.

If you want to discuss, you know my e-mail and/or telephone number.

Anonymous said...

I submitted the below comment here, let's see if it shows up: http://www.directselling411.com/blog/dont-we-all-have-the-same-goal/

Amy,

I have been in contact with Dean Heyl and Jared Blum and got absolutely nowhere. They said the DSA is looking for "lessons learned" from the UK tool scam shutdown, but the lesson was taught in Rich DeVos' 1983 "Directly Speaking" recordings. Rich nailed the problem, but in the past quarter century, nothing meaningful has been done to fix the tool scam in the U.S.

The primary problem with Amway/Quixtar is the bait and switch situation. It is an opportunity bait and switch. The bait is the A/Q business, the switch is the tool scam.

Orrin Woodward provided confirmation the tool scam is alive and well, as his Emeralds and above made 4-5 TIMES from tools than Quixtar profit. His blog. His words. Merely a confirmation of many many many others that have said the same thing, starting with Rich DeVos in 1983.

The problem is the tool scam, and all of the "protections" you list above do not go nearly far enough.

Hundreds of thousands of current IBO's are getting ripped off, not to mention the previous millions of former ones. When are you going to wake up to this situation and do something meaningful?

Tex said...

Update from the BERR, via e-mail:

Q: Any update? When do you have to decide whether to go through with the appeal or not?


A: The Secretary of State has been given permission to appeal the order made in Amway and an appeal has been lodged with the Court of Appeal.

I also asked when they expect to be back in court, and will report their response when received.

Tex said...

Here's the response to the above question:

The Court of Appeal is very busy. We couldn't predict a date -at present at least.

Tex said...

MichMan said on ibofb's site: http://www.thetruthaboutamway.com/index.php/component/option,com_fireboard/Itemid,91/func,view/id,16136/catid,33/limit,6/limitstart,138/

Bridgett, I am happy and have my dreams. I believe I will acheive them. Personally, I hope Amway gets their stuff together. I hope IBOs will build this business with their eyes wide open. I am not on a mission to convert ibos or change the company. I do not think Quixtar is a cult. I am not bitter like my NON-favorite Long Horn. I hope Amway grows and adds hundred and thousands of new jobs in the area. West Michigan needs it. ---- I am not bitter, I AM fed up with the tool scam, which I have demonstrated over and over is responsible for most of the problems this business faces. I can't help it if MichMan and Bitchett are too stupid to realize this simple fact.

Tex said...

Since Amway has now sponsored Tina Turner's upcoming tour, it's appropriate to offer some slightly altered lyrics (see bottom) to her original song, which can be found here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1p2VjKueoBA and the lyrics as well.

Original lyrics

Out of the ruins
Out from the wreckage
Can't make the same mistake this time
We are the children
the last generation
We are the ones they left behind
And I wonder when we are ever gonna change it
Living under the fear till nothing else remains

We don't need another hero
We don't need to know the way home
All we want is life beyond the thunderdome

Looking for something we can rely on
There's got to be something better out there
Love and compassion, their day is coming
All else are castles built in the air
And I wonder when we are ever gonna change it
Living under the fear till nothing else remains
All the children say

We don't need another hero
We don't need to know the way home
All we want is life beyond the thunderdome

So, what do we do with our lives
We leave only a mark
Will our story shine like a light
Or end in the dark
Give it all or nothing

Altered lyrics

Out of the tool scam
Out from the liars
Can't make the same mistake this time
We are the last chance
the last IBO's
We are the ones they left behind
And I wonder when we are ever gonna change it
Living under the scammers till no money remains

We don't need another hero
We don't need to know the way home
All we want is life beyond the LCK's

Looking for something we can rely on
There's got to be something better out there
Truth and honesty, their day is coming
All else are castles built in the air
And I wonder when we are ever gonna change it
Living under the scammers till no money remains
All the IBO's say

We don't need another hero
We don't need to know the way home
All we want is life beyond the LCK's

So, what do we do with our lives
We leave only a mark
Will our story shine like a light
Or end in the dark
Give it all or nothing

Think Tina would sing the new lyrics for us at a Major Function?

Tex said...

Since Amway has now sponsored Tina Turner's upcoming tour, it's appropriate to offer some slightly altered lyrics (see bottom) to her original song, which can be found here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1p2VjKueoBA and the lyrics as well.

Original lyrics

Out of the ruins
Out from the wreckage
Can't make the same mistake this time
We are the children
the last generation
We are the ones they left behind
And I wonder when we are ever gonna change it
Living under the fear till nothing else remains

We don't need another hero
We don't need to know the way home
All we want is life beyond the thunderdome

Looking for something we can rely on
There's got to be something better out there
Love and compassion, their day is coming
All else are castles built in the air
And I wonder when we are ever gonna change it
Living under the fear till nothing else remains
All the children say

We don't need another hero
We don't need to know the way home
All we want is life beyond the thunderdome

So, what do we do with our lives
We leave only a mark
Will our story shine like a light
Or end in the dark
Give it all or nothing

Altered lyrics

Out of the tool scam
Out from the liars
Can't make the same mistake this time
We are the last chance
the last IBO's
We are the ones they left behind
And I wonder when we are ever gonna change it
Living under the scammers till no money remains

We don't need another hero
We don't need to know the way home
All we want is life beyond the LCK's

Looking for something we can rely on
There's got to be something better out there
Truth and honesty, their day is coming
All else are castles built in the air
And I wonder when we are ever gonna change it
Living under the scammers till no money remains
All the IBO's say

We don't need another hero
We don't need to know the way home
All we want is life beyond the LCK's

So, what do we do with our lives
We leave only a mark
Will our story shine like a light
Or end in the dark
Give it all or nothing

Think Tina would sing the new lyrics for us at a Major Function?

quixtarisacult said...

The following comment is the subject of a post I made on my Quixtar Cult Intervention blogspot. It expresses both my views and Tex's views as he expressed them to me. I have tried to be clear where I differed with his views and I believe I've given Tex's views on the tool scam justice. This comment calls for people to take action on the tool scam.

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Exactly how rational are IBOs? I have some issues I want everyone to examine whether they be an IBO or anyone interested in all things Amway. This comment also asks IBOs to test their rationality against the important issues raised herein.

I am always amazed that many discussions on this and other Amway blogs do not fully address the correct issue that is the #1 problem facing the company in the 21st century. No matter how many differing Amway issues I see, everything invariably comes "full circle" back to the TOOL SCAM. All conversations, and discourse dealing with Amway almost always revolve around what "Tex" calls the "Lying Cowardly Kingpins" or "LCK" for short.

Tex, a very different sort of new age IBO coined this term and has been vociferously expressing his views throughout the Quixtar/Amway blogosphere making him both a crusader and a pariah to many. I admire Tex's chutzpah to pierce the comfort zone of Quixtar Independent Business Owners, tool kingpins distributors and company executives alike which he makes it his mission to confronts on an ongoing basis. Tex stands out, he is an IBO of some renown as he spear-heads an effort to kick start the kind of change that Amway fails to make and many other IBOs have been hiding their heads in the sand about.

At this point, a few words about Tex might be helpful for readers who need an introduction. Tex retains an online presence and views himself as an advocate for a changes he believes Amway must make to keep the Quixtar/Amway business opportunity viable. He wants Amway to throw off the shackles of predatory kingpin distributors and the current system which he believes serves their interest at the expense of IBOs who are struggling to make the opportunity work for them. Tex has credentials as a well known critic of the tool scam and has been interviewed on the Q-Blog Podcast, has taken on the industry "insider", ibofightback, David Steadson, in a toe to toe debate over all issues Amway in which Steadson has booted Tex from his The Truth About Amway forum. Seems like Tex has a way of getting under the saddle of Amway blog administrators and has also been banned from the Quixtar Blog and also Joecool's The Dream or the Scheme Blog. Tex is anything but resourceful and his being banished from forums and discussions has not silenced him and his message. Amway recently invited Tex to Prague for a symposium on the blogosphere where he discussed his views on the tool scam and met with other people who's presence online got them an invite. I've had a chance to have a lengthy discussion with Tex and he is very personable and easy to speak with. His online writing style doesn't necessary do him justice as some people might find his style of debate abrasive. Could this judgment be more from disagreement with his views and say something about their own combative debating tactics? If getting oneself booted from blog and forum discussions were a virtue, Tex would indeed be named a saint.

People already involved in the Quixtar/Amway online discussion really need no introduction to Tex's ideas or the opposing viewpoints of the industry insider, ibofightback. Controversy seems to follow Tex as he journeys through cyberspace, but I view that as a good thing. Tex may not be a Ghandi over the tool scandal issue, but he is steadfast in his pursuit of change which Amway refuses to make, despite all the discord that the scandal has brought to Quixtar and continues to stir among IBO insiders and critics, whether inside or outside of the business. Tex is regarded with considerable scorn by the Tool Kingpins which he hammers at with his “Lying Cowardly Kingpins” description and if eyes could shoot daggers, he would probably be hit!

The kingpin distributors Tex describe sit on top of a monopoly business, the sale of motivational training materials and the “function” business and more commonly just called “tools”. These tools make up the "how to" information to become successful in the Amway business opportunity. (In my opinion, these tools do not substitute for a conventional business education because they lack a focus on commonly accepted business practices which the kingpin distributors obviously do not wish to promote.) That being said, I have been persuaded by Tex that if someone intends to get into the business (against my advice), at least some training tools are necessary, although Tex feels these tools should not come with the price tag of scandal and are at heart of the problem that makes the pursuit of this business so fraught with loss for so many. (I believe IBOs become caught up in a cult-like relationship to these tools and the upline mentoring which is absolutely insane!) The opportunity in its present incarnation is merely an IBOs opportunity to make the sellers of these tools their king's ransom in filthy lucre!

Tex says there is a “big lie” that proponents of the opportunity promoted as gospel truth which says says success in Quixtar comes from the sale of products and commissions paid by the company to its IBOs and this farce hides the fact that the pictured success stories displayed to prospects comes from tool profits and not from Quixtar/Amway. (Isn't this the focus of the 2004 Dateline expose on corruption in Quixtar?) These tools sales create a market for a product that doesn't have a retail consumer outside of the Amway distributor network, totally unrelated to the products offered by Amway (supposedly) for resale to retail customers. Tex described to me how these upline kingpins through lesser downline pins promote these materials to the entire downline organization.

The incredible cost of tools, the "Standing Order Tapes", seminars, and attendance at quarterly rallies create a "meat grinder" situation for new distributors who begin their experience in the business by making an incredible deficit of spending that produces loss from the start and spurs potential long-term distributors to leave the business showing zero profit what so ever. Many of these ex-IBOs put the boxes of books, tapes, CDs, magazines, and videos they've accumulated for sale on ebay hoping to receive pennies back on the dollar. I've noticed that many times these tapes, CDs and books receive no bids and remain relatively worthless. The kingpins have already made their pound of flesh by this time and their downline IBOs will bring in new recruits to keep tool sales going. This is the "DIRTY LITTLE SECRET" of their “LITTLE QUIXTAR CULT” and it relies on the P.T. Barnum's idea that “a new sucker is born every day.”

The constant flux of people joining, buying tools, and then quitting is what makes pin level success for dedicated IBOs so incredibly difficult to achieve. This matters not at all to the kingpin distributor of tools because these "replacement" recruits are the true target customers for their ware and become the "Simple Simon" the upline the kingpins so need to make their tool scam work! This is the sad truth of the tool scandal and what Tex believes every IBO must view as the number #1 problem they confront.

Tex paints a very realistic picture of how the system currently works. As in any occupation, a person must invest in tools of the trade; a carpenter must have a hammer, saw, ladders, and so forth, and the same thing applies with a sales job, but which are more educational than material in nature. Of course there will be the ever present easel, poster pad, and marker pens. This would apply whether a person was "selling" the Amway opportunity or selling a product line in another industry outside of MLM.

Tex says salesmen in the traditional business world are always being taught and encouraged to remain enthusiastic; their company may send them to training seminars and provide them with additional educational material as part of their employment. In Amway, the distributor pays out of pocket for all these things to include seminars and rallies to inspire enthusiasm. It is easy to see how distributors are forced into the mouth of the "tool sales money extraction machine" by upline mentors allowing the kingpins to sock piles of green back under their mattress. Is it any wonder that new distributors end up prematurely discouraged and eventually quit a system that basically takes advantage of them from the start and almost always guarantees they will lose money? Tex believes this should not have to be.

This is the current bad state of affairs that Tex described to me. My personal views of the business are no where near as optimistic as Tex, after all he is an IBO and I am not. I align myself with all the people who have been harmed and are being harmed by the business. My view is that not only the tool pyramid scheme exists, but also a product based one as well. My view is that both groups should be put out of business so the utter fleecing and pernicious harm done might finally be brought to an end. That being said, Tex holds his view of things which might make sense if one is currently an IBO and has already sacrificed so very much to the business, not wanting to see the "baby" thrown out with the bad "bath water". The baby here being the "company" and the bath water being the "tool kingpins".

Tex advocates drastic changes be made; these changes he believes will put some potential profit back into the business and stop many of the new distributors from being run through the tool kingpin's money making machine and subsequently being forced out of the business by lack of profit and unfulfilled expectations. Tex further describes long term IBOs as being much like a carpenter who has been in his trade for a long time. They are no longer as profitable to the kingpin sellers of tools because they are already saturated with tools and require much less in regards to these materials. The idea being that a carpenter does not need to constantly buy tools that he already has on hand; he has the saw horses, the ladder jacks and the like that, and once bought need not be bought again so the local hardware store see less of him.

Tex's point is this: the kingpins perpetuate a system that quickly renders the opportunity unprofitable and keeps it that way. The new distributors are encouraged that they must buy the tools and then they very quickly find themselves in a catch 22 situation. Many new IBOs buy tools for a while, drop out and do not renew their business; they make their IBO recruiter anguish over the situation because he or she is trying to run up an escalator that is always going down, and must constantly keep replacing those IBOs that leave with a fresh enthusiastic face. Tex's view is that this works out perfectly for the kingpin sellers to the detriment of everyone else in the business. Each enthusiastic distributor showing the plan has an upline pin with a hidden agenda encouraging him/her onward. These upline platinum, emerald, or diamond pins have their own interests foremost in mind as their bread is buttered by selling tools, and encourage their downline IBOs to keep recruiting the many new IBOs the tool business requires. New IBOs are in the kingpin's cross hairs and become canon fodder for these sellers of deceit who Tex says really operate a "bait and switch" con job. I most emphatically agree with this observation!

I believe that Tex's view of the current state of affairs within the Amway business opportunity is correct. This flies in the face of all the deceit that online pundit ibofightback David Steadson constantly pushes to keep IBOs operating in their current state of self deception. The current tool kingpin is a vulture feeding on the flesh of all the IBOs and revelations of this scandal SCREAMS OUT FOR CHANGE! People falling for the deception move forward in cult-like lockstep with their upline fellows forming "the business cult" to their own undoing.

For IBOs in the business steadfastly devoted to making the opportunity somehow work, wholesale changes to the tool system would be of incredible help! It would keep more people in it for the potential long term benefits and provide an improved chance for short term profitability. This should make good sense to any IBO. Tex believes that resolving the tool scam and vanquishing the tool kingpins would resolve many if not all of the problems with Amway. He believes the tide would stop going out and start coming in again and this would raise all IBO ships.

Tex's arguments are based on those of the company founder Rich Devos. Founder Devos expressed his views passionately in his Directly Speaking tapes. Tex points to these views as the correct answer to the problems confronting the entire company today now in the 21st century. A testimony to the wisdom of the top dog of his time. Are you listening Alticor?

Tex's believes tools should be free, and if not free, should be sold at or very near cost. Just as Rich Devos said on the Directly Speaking II tapes, these training materials should not approach the millions of dollars in profit they currently do and their sales should not amount to the the current high percentage of expenditures IBOs make on them. (My personal opinion is that we live in the computer age and distribution of information has become incredibly cost effective with the advent of e-books, video, mp3, and video conferencing.) Rich Devos heard the horror stories back in his day as he admits, and are not the same horror stories being heard in Ada, Michigan today by the Alticor executives? Shouldn't the current Amway Pharaoh be bold enough to finally put an end to the tool problem the company's founder viewed as the top threat to his beloved business?

Okay, what can be done in the meantime you might ask? If you are an IBO you can CHANGE YOUR WORLD and the future of your business because you have a voice! THE FEDERAL TRADE COMMISSION NEEDS A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF COMPLAINTS IN ORDER TO OPEN UP A FRESH INVESTIGATION OF THE AMWAY TOOL SCANDAL AS IT CURRENTLY EXISTS. Just as Rich Devos said, the "tools have no end customer" outside of the business and the money spent by the IBO faithful amounts to a MONEY EXTRACTION scheme. Anyone holding to Rich Devos's view of the situation therefore share Tex's view. Although controversial, the kingpin's tool scam must be brought to an end, otherwise the IBO accept a situation and a system that is not the opportunity that it purports itself to be. The enemy of the IBO is really the same catbird who sits on the tool scam perch with a vulture's eye for prey!

What do I believe should be done? First, if the tool scam cannot be dismantled and shut down, the company should be put out of business in the US along with the likes of Goldquest, Jewelway, and Burn Lounge. I would suggest that other countries of the world re-examine their relationship with the American Scam. Secondly, the tool scam should be shut down if Amway hopes to remove itself from scandal. A new modern age system could then be instituted that would give the IBO a better chance to succeed at building the business.

This is a fresh approach to the tool kingpin greed that does way more to stifle growth than promote IBO success. The riches that the top tool kingpins display as way of palatial estates, luxury automobiles, and the like are at the pinnacle of the deceit that drives people to get involved, see through the hoax and get out. There needs to be ideological changes made that bring the opportunity as it is presented to prospects back to reality. All the back room dream selling (fostered by the tool scam) can end. Amway needs to engineer a new compensation system that provides a reasonable reward for reasonable work and achievement. People holding their own greedy dreams of being the next wealthy tool kingpin will be gone. This insane idea sadly motivates people who want to be like the people they view as successful in the business and one which is taught over and over again. The entire motivation industry has been built on the idea of being with successful people and emulating their life to become as they are. Sadly, with the present system, all these aspiring people want to be like the—as Tex describes them—“lying, cowardly, kingpins!”

Readers of this comment should not view it as a softening of my personal views about Quixtar/Amway. Tex is calling for the vanquishing of the tool kingpin system of deceit and fraud, which I just happen to agree with. The ball is now in the company's hands and they must come to grip with the tool scam, stop obfuscating and do something about it if they want to clean their business up. If they will not do something, then a call must be sent out to a higher power to step in and take action. The tax payers and citizens of this country need to see some action out of their regulatory agencies and court system! In this election year, the candidates should be prodded to make their positions on this corruption made know. Current and future IBOs should be shielded from being prey to these vultures. Real people are harmed and victimized by their little Quixtar cult.

IBO, you can do your part: complain about the tool kingpins who are ruining your business and put your signature on a complaint to the Federal Trade Commission. Take the next step necessary!!! Write your senator and congressman as well. Add your one little drop to the bucket of water the FTC deems necessary to open up an investigation into the tool scam that has the potential to CHANGE YOUR WORLD FOR THE BETTER. As the UK decision has revealed, the company will only enact changes when pressure is applied by a power greater than themselves. A sort of scared straight program for MLM executives. Amway/Alticor is already overburdened with litigation, and your voice could be the straw that breaks their camel down, cause them throw up their hands, turn over all the money changers tables and run the lying cowardly kingpins out of the Amway temple! Should they fail to put corruption out of their company, then the baby should be thrown out with the bad bathwater as well!

In conclusion, what should IBOs make of Orrin Woodward's recent admissions that he made five times more money selling tools than he did in compensation from Quixtar? Have you ever wondered why these kingpins can move between companies and continue to prosper? Aren't tools really the fleecing of the American Way? These tools that kingpins sell for high dollar in Amway but are worthless on ebay! Think about it?

Tex said...

IBOFB wrote to QIAC/QCI:

QUOTE:
this completely off-topic post removed

QCI - do not hijack threads.

MichMan wrote:

No wonder QIAC/QCI likes Tex.

Tex is the Abu Abbas of thread hijacking.

A QUICK VIEW OF THREADS ON IBOFB'S SITE, OR ANY OTHER BLOG FOR THAT MATTER, GET OFF TOPIC. MIXEDUPMAN WOULD BE A MORE ACCURATE NAME FOR MICHMAN.

Tex said...

Submitted to http://www.directselling411.com/blog/declare-your-shopping-independence/#comment-217

I reported an unrealistic earnings claims violation and DSA ignored me. When are you going to call me back Amy, I left a message on your telephone a couple of days ago? By the way, this message is also being posted on my blog, just so everyone knows how responsive you really are.

Tex said...

Since they are gushing over another Tina Turner song, "Rollin' on the River", on ibofb's site, I thought I would contribute alternate lyrics for this one as well, with the original ones first, and alternate ones next. Here's a link to her singing the original song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veoNAc8frVs

Original:

Left a good job in the city
Workin' for the man every night and day
But I never lost a minute of sleepin'
Worryin' 'bout the way things might have been

[chorus]
Big wheel keep on turnin'
Proud Mary keep on burnin'
Rollin', rollin', rollin' on the river

Cleaned a lot of plates in Memphis
Pumped a lot of tane down in New Orleans
But I never saw the good side of a city
'Til I hitched a ride on the riverboat queen

[repeat chorus]

If you come down to the River
Bet you're gonna find some people who live
You don't have to worry 'cause you have no money
People on the river are happy to give

[repeat chorus]

Alternate:

Left a good job in the city
Workin' for the scammers every night and day
But I lost a lot of minutes of sleepin'
Worryin' 'bout the way things might have been

[chorus]
Big scam keep on turnin'
Proud Liars keep on burnin'
Rollin', rollin', rollin' over my bank account

Cleaned a lot of plates in Memphis
Pumped a lot of tane down in New Orleans
But I never saw the good side of an LCK
But I hitched a ride on the "no tool scam" riverboat queen

[repeat chorus]

If you come down to the scammers
Bet you're gonna find some prospects who live
You don't have to worry 'cause you have no money
New prospects on the river are happy to give

[repeat chorus]

Tex said...

Amy,

Neither my inbox nor my trash folder contained your e-mails. Perhaps you had the wrong e-mail address, either because I typed it wrong or you copied it wrong. If it was my error, I apologize. However, I checked the e-mail box on the DSA site, and it appears to be correct.

I don't recall the name of the person on the call with you, please forward this message to him, thanks.

Okay, let's get down to business. First of all, my level of frustration which you probably heard on telephone is based on a three year saga that started when I was told by my former upline Diamond, Bruce Anderson, on his blog (which no longer is available, but the conversation can be found here (I am "Curious" on that blog, and I believe it is quite evident Bruce was NOT interested in sharing this information, even though he had already been terminated over a tool issue): http://www.webraw.com/quixtar/forum/viewtopic.php?p=40958&highlight=bruce+anderson#40958 Note there is a second person, bobztwin, who tried to step in and "protect" Bruce, but they both eventually admitted they made twice as much from tools than Quixtar. This is even more significant in that Bruce told me on the telephone he was qualified as a Diamond for only for the first year or two, and made much less Quixtar profit for most of the years he wore the Diamond pin (which is typical, making the tool money even more significant part of the problem). I have a "Profiles of Success" book that includes Bruce with his large home on the Florida intercoastal waterway, airplane, ocean going racing boat, large motorcoach (not a smaller motorhome), restored antique car, motorcycle, other cars, etc. He was admittedly not doing well financially prior to this business, as he flew a helicopter and Wendy, his wife, was a social worker.

Rich DeVos made a series of recordings in the '70's and '80's entitled "Directly Speaking." You can read one of the recordings and listen to the other here: http://www.amquix.info/amway_directly_speaking.html There are a number of issues that are discussed, most of which were fixed, so feel free to ignore them and pay attention to the tool profit portions. Anyone who is familiar with Rich DeVos' voice will immediately recognize this as his voice. The site these recordings came from is well known, and if it were in error, I am quite sure would have been shut down by now. If Rich was inaccurate with these statements, I am quite sure the company would have withdrawn these statements, and never has. Bruce Anderson told me on the telephone he was "ordered" to take and destroy any "Directly Speaking" tape he may come across.

There have been various lawsuits/threats of lawsuits over the years regarding relatively minor issues, such as whether Jody Victor's first wife was painted over in a portrait at Quixtar headquarters in Ada, MI:

http://www.webraw.com/quixtar/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2684&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=jody+victor&start=45 (I can no longer find the original information that was available on the IBOAI site, but the post on Thu May 04, 2006 3:24 am refers to the apology from Scott Larsen that was one of the conditions for Jody dropping the lawsuit)

or another one regarding the details of qualifications: http://www.webraw.com/quixtar/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2684&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=jody+victor&start=45 see post Tue Apr 18, 2006 12:52 am

As I and others have referred to the upline as "lying cowardly "kingpins" or "tool scammers" and similar other terms, thousands of times on the very same blog, as well as other blogs, why has the upline NOT, even once, denied our charges? This is one of the most talked about issues on a variety of popular blogs that prospects can easily find, so why haven't the upline simply opened their books and shown we are in error, let alone file a lawsuit over these matters?

Here's another statement from a former Diamond, Don Lorencz: http://web.archive.org/web/20051124194000/http://donjlorencz.texerta.com/

A group, commonly known for one of the Emeralds involved, Joe Morrison, tried to split from their upline tool system, and got put out of business by the upline threatening anyone who speaks for the Morrison group to be "uninvited" to any speaking opportunities with Yager. Why would all of these IBO's give up their entire business if the tools were not THE major source of profits? The lawsuits themselves indicate most of the profit for the higher pins is from tools. If incorrect, I believe the plaintiffs could be charged with a variety of legal violations: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Amway/AUS/morrison.htm

Here's another one, from a former Direct Distributor (now known as Platinum): (http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Amway/AUS/hayden.htm

And another, from former Double Diamond Brig Hart: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Amway/AUS/hart.htm

And another, from former Crown Ken Stewart: http://www.mlmsurvivor.com/stewart_v_gooch_comm.htm

Here's the youtube video from Andy Andrews, while he was still an active IBO: http://video.filestube.com/video,d7f07a3ad21d5f0903e9.html

One more, from former Diamond Bo Short (the transcript and video links from the 2004 Dateline show are below):

http://web.archive.org/web/20060207071939/msnbc.msn.com/id/4375477/
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-215989802739458876

I don't care about all the emotional, motivational mumbo jumbo, just the bare tool scam facts.

Here's Orrin Woodward, former Executive Diamond, on his very own blog recently: http://orrinwoodward.blogharbor.com/blog/_archives/2008/7/2/3773065.html#comments see post Thu 03 Jul 2008 12:51 AM EDT

Not to mention an obviously perplexed Michigan judge, who was incredulous (it's called perjury, but as this information wasn't the focus of the lawsuit and would be difficult to prove, they'll probably let it go) when Mr. Dickie, the CEO of Orrin's tool company couldn't even estimate how much Orrin and the other high level "leaders" made via the tools: http://www.freetheibo.com/pdfs/November-Judge-Sullivan-Opinion-Order-Quixtar-v-Woodward-not-contempt.pdf Here's the testimony, where Mr. Dickie denied having a clue how much was made via tools: http://freetheiboblog.typepad.com/quixtar/files/october_17_court_transcripts.pdf

The developments in the UK, where the judge ruled the "voluntary" action taken by Amway in May 2007 to shut down all tool sales should be lifted, but ONLY if there is ZERO tool profit. I am not in favor of zero tool profit, as I believe in free enterprise, capitalism, and the profit motive. However, these terms have NOTHING to do with the upline referring to their IBO's as "teammates", "business partners", and other similar terms, then lying (by omission) about making most of their money via the tools.

I can probably come up with others, but these are adequate to prove my position.

You offered very little willingness to discuss the issue of the appropriateness of these facts on the telephone, I hope you now see this is NOT hypothetical, it is very real. You also refused to discuss whether this behavior would be considered unethical if true, which I also consider VERY unproductive.

Very real people, on the order of millions over the past few decades, have been ripped off for probably 10's of billions of dollars.

I can probably come up with others, but these are adequate to prove my position.

NONE of these are mere "blog statements", these court cases are ALL from former IBO's who were cut out of their tool scam profits for one reason or another, and ended up kicked out of the business. If the tool profits were minor, doesn't it make sense they wouldn't make these statements and not worry about a little bit less money from the tools?

Former Grinder said...

i was part of the tool side for several years in the business. I was a founders platinum and made between $500-$1,500 per month in tool and function 'bonuses'. When I had enough, I advised my upline emerald to stop paying me and use those funds to cover the costs of seminars to my group that were still active. Of course they didn't do that.

the truth is of course, that any MLM company can develop this problem depending on their field leadership.

tools have their place but its a what cost. taking advantage of people's enthusiasm to sell tools is clearly wrong.

Tex said...

former grinder,

Have you submitted a complaint to the FTC (ftc.gov)? I recommend you do the same with your U.S. Rep and Senators as well. Tell the DSA blog also (http://www.directselling411.com/blog/), thanks.

Tex said...

The following was submitted to Beth's blog (http://insidequixtar.opportunityzone.com/2008/07/08/Times-are-tough-they-keep-getting-tougher.aspx#comments), as she chose not to post my original submission, which discussed A/Q needs to clean up their own room prior to pointing out faults of others, but DID post similar posts, such as the one from QIAC. Let's see if she posts this one:

Beth,

Quixtar may offer everything you told QIAC on post #1, but the upline, having a VERY different agenda, have been allowed to make your statement false. You are "playing the fiddle while Rome burns" with your response. It is well documented most of the profit for the upline comes from tools, not Quixtar. Not only is this a gross misrepresentation of the business opportunity, but there is significant evidence many IBO's don't turn a net profit until they reach the Platinum level, making it unadvisable to take the advice of the upline, as taking the uplines' recommendations merely creates dozens of additional IBO's with a net loss in order to attain the Platinum level.

Tex said...

Here's my other response on Beth's blog, posted here because I don't know whether Beth "approves" of the truth:

graniteman,

I see no issue with the curiosity approach, within limits.

For example, I don't have to use the words "Amway/Quixtar" as I initially approach someone with the business opportunity. The A/Q name should be used while showing the marketing plan, unlike what I witnessed last year while attending several TEAM Opens and a Seminar, where the A/Q word wasn't used a single time. In fact, every impression was given that Orrin was in charge of everything, such as making deals with XS Energy.

However, inviting a prospect to dinner, a party, etc., and then springing the marketing plan on them is quite a different matter, and should NOT be done. The above is in accordance with the rules.

Plus, the "Amway" name has been so damaged by those who make most of their profit on tools, the relatively few of us doing things the right way are forced to use this technique. I would prefer not to have to do this, but until/unless the reputation is changed (which won't happen by advertising, but by doing as the UK has already done, getting rid of the ridiculously high and "secret" tool profits), this is the best method for contacting.

tex said...

I think it's time for another conference call. See if you can get anyone to commit to one, and I'll set it up.

tex said...

TB 2 IBO on ibofb's site:

Well, I see for the most part Tex has accomplished hijacking a thread in the third person. I wonder if that is first for blogging? ---- The thread is entitled "The Quixtar Tool Scam: Rich Devos Was Right!", how is that hijacking? I don't know if it's a first for blogging, but it's a sad state ibofb is afraid of me being there in person. But I have met him and know the wussie that he is, so it's not surprising.

To be honest I read only 7-8 entries from the beginning. Seems it is the same tired arguments that Tex has said time and time again. ---- You should read the lead-in post, and try to comprehend it, then you wouldn't look so stupid.

Also that each time, he has been debated and proven wrong. ---- Quite the opposite.

His obsession with this topic reminds me of many Obama supporters. Even when given the facts, they still support his "change, and warm fuzzies" campaign....ahhh but I digress... ---- Unlike Obama, I have specific facts that have been ignored by the "dark" side.

tex said...

joebrueske said on ibofb's site:

Yeah, I don't know Tex or his blogs but it sounds that way. ---- Typical for the posters on ibofb's site. They don't know anything yet agree with others. A sure sign of having brown on your nose.

Sylvester said...

ibofb is so full of sh*t that he is turning brown!

Tex said...

sylvester,

Dark brown, and well fermented.

If you can post on ibofb's site, see if any of them are interested in a conference call, if you don't mind. I would, but I've been "banned."

P.S. How's Tweety?

Anonymous said...

Do you have any examples of Emeralds and Diamonds in WWDB making multiple times more off of tools versus the biz income?

tex said...

No, Puryear keeps it all to himself.

tex said...

On a more serious note (Bridgett or ibofb, I assume), it isn't my job to investigate the inner workings of every single line of sponsorship/affiliation to determine what the exact tool scam profit is for each of them.

I know how much is made by those who have court cases and made direct statements, I know how much the various tools cost, and when I make the reasonable assumption the production costs and IBO usage are about the same, you get similar tool scam profits.

Do they split them up differently among groups? Probably, but it isn't part of accreditation for the "normal" (non-tool scamming) IBO to know. Plus, how they split the profit doesn't affect the bottom line for IBO's getting ripped off, so it isn't all that important of a issue.

So, Ron is welcome to step forward and fill us in. Until then, he's just another LCK (lying cowardly "kingpin") as far as I'm concerned. In other words, the ball is in Ron's court. Second serve, try again. One more "miss" and you have "double faulted."

I've been asking around, is anyone interested in a conference call? I think we could get a lot more done on the telephone than all of this typing the same things over and over again.

tex said...

Here's another thought: IF Ron wasn't ripping people off by making several times more via tools than A/Q, he should gladly post what his Platinum and above pins make, and separate himself from the "real" scammers.

He's had several years to do this, and all we hear is the crickets chirping in the background.

Sylvester said...

I ate tweety bird. *burp*

I have trouble reading the stuff on ibofb's site. It's like a bunch of brainwashed idiots all in cahoots with each other.

tex said...

sylvester,

Sorry to hear about Tweety, I guess that's why you have more time to post, though.

Would you be willing to post the information on the tool scam thread that has been active lately?

His latest post is about how he can't rise very far in the standings, and all the "negative" sites rise to the top. It's because he kicks off everyone who doesn't agree with him, and the only ones left are in a big circle with their noses up the butt of the one in front of them. When I was on sites with him, he would ignore the main point and try to get technical about a minor point, and drag the conversation off in another direction, because he didn't have any facts on his side.

tex said...

I found out from Amy Robinson, from the DSA blog, she sent messages last week, but they were routed to my spam folder. I apologized to her for the oversight, and am expecting an answer to my tool scam sources shortly.

tex said...

Dwight David on ibofb's site:

It is unfortunate that people like QIAC and Tex and others try to ruin it for others who are serious about building this business. ---- How powerfully stupid can one man be? I am in an effort to shut down a scam and DD accuses me of ruining it for others. It's a free country DD, you are also free to be an idiot.

tex said...

Here's my response to Beth's latest post, found here: http://insidequixtar.opportunityzone.com/2008/07/14/Not-what-you-expected.aspx

What happened to transparency?

I thought we were going to see tool profit transparency?

They have it in the UK, where tool profit is zero (which I believe is goig overboard, but that's the Brits for ya!).

They apparently have it in India and Russia, where there are tool quantity and price limits.

There is ample evidence tool profit is several times A/Q profit in the U.S., yet we hear nothing on this issue.

Many/most IBO's don't have a net profit until they reach the Platinum level because of tool overhead.

It just DOESN'T add up.

I don't want A/Q to squander their advertising and other "goodwill" dollars, but I believe that's what is happening.

tex said...

From http://www.thetruthaboutamway.com/index.php/component/option,com_fireboard/Itemid,91/func,view/id,16548/catid,2/limit,6/limitstart,18/ ibofb said to Ros, a "sunshine" guy who is clueless, "What possible excuse is there for ignoring reality and making it harder than it should be? Some kind of misguided protestant ethic?" ---- Sorry ibofb, if a "protestant [work] ethic" is the measure, you win hands down with your efforts to prop up tool scammers without shame. Shame on YOU for not realizing how misguided your efforts are.

tex said...

Bridgett, on ibofb's site:

They charge 5 bucks because they can. Enough people will pay that price. The market bears it. Has nothing to do with covering their costs. If the market wouldn't bear it, then they wouldn't be selling five-dollar stuffed casings of pigs' feet and pigs' snouts.

Joe Pici, in his Successful Selling breakout session, held up a Variety Ribbon Gift Album and asked, "How much does this cost?." And people yelled out "$25" (the suggested retail price).

He answered, "Wrong. It costs whatever they are willing to pay. I sell these for $40."

bernsber, charge $3 and be proud of it!

---- The problem is the LCK's have the same attitude with those they try to call their "teammates" and "business partners", the IBO's in their group.

tex said...

Another Bridgett post on ibofb's site:

From personal experience I have found that an IBO will tell me that they want X results by X date. And I tell them that then they need to have X work habit. And they act like I'm pushing them or being bossy with them. ---- The problem with this advice is most IBO's are in the middle of a tool scam, so it takes "X" work habit instead of "x" work habit, in order to overcome the negative reputation brought on by the LCK's tool scam.

I'm not saying that's what you are doing, I'm just saying that it's important to explain to your mentor/coach where you want to go (what your goals are) and be open (translation:teachable) to hearing and doing the perscribed game plan that they give you. ---- Again, this "game plan" usually includes the tool scam.

But, of course, it's all about trust. Ya gotta trust a person before you are going to listen to them. ---- And how would Bridgett suggest the new IBO figure this out?

tex said...

I don't know if this response will get posted on Beth's blog (http://insidequixtar.opportunityzone.com/2008/07/14/Not-what-you-expected.aspx?CommentPosted=true#commentmessage), so I am placing it here:

oneperfectbiz,

The issue is never whether or not you market tools and support, but how people are treated. ---- This isn't about marketing or not marketing tools, it's about the AMOUNT of profit that is produced when tools ARE marketed. Having tool profit transparency is how to treat people properly.

Most people spend as much money or more a month on cable tv, itunes, and and dvd rentals. ---- Who are YOU to tell someone else to change their other buying habits, particularly if the prices of tools create MA$$IVE profits for those selling them?

Investing the same in business education from leaders in the field who have actually done what you are trying to do is never something to apologize about. ---- See above. They need to do a LOT more than merely apologize.

The people who treated people improperly gave the business a bad reputation, not the fact they offer BSM's. ---- The people who treated people improperly are those described above, particularly the FACT they made much more via the tools than A/Q and were not honest about this FACT.

AmwayNextGen,

Welcome to the 21st century. Sorry you have been sleeping for the past 40+ years. You more than doubled Rip Van Winkle's "accomplishment". Interesting Rip Van Winkle was Dutch, much like Amway's co-founders, who have been "asleep" for the past few decades; aware of, yet ignoring, the points I made to oneperfectbiz, above.

tex said...

Here's a video analogy: Mike McCormick, the lawyer on the Forbes site, is the wife (naturally), the gun is the tool scam discussion, and me and the rest of the pissed off IBO's are the husband. Enjoy.

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=39030300

tex said...

Left the following message on Bitchett's site, doubt it will get posted there: https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=6706594013882510631&postID=7370678747814631087

Why am I not surprised you did something stupid? I'm more surprised the table lasted for 17 months, let alone 17 years.

tex said...

Here's the link, it's the July 26th "story."

http://www.bridgettbridgett.blogspot.com/

tex said...

Speaking of Bitchett (Or even if you weren't....By the way, did you know that Bitchett comes from Old French, and stands for "little bitch"?), her site subheading (http://www.bridgettbridgett.blogspot.com/) reads, "How many licks does it take to get to the center of a Tootsie Roll Pop? Just wondering if anyone reads subheadings...".

I try to be as observant as possible. It takes ZERO, because I CHOMP! on Tootsie Roll Pops, just like I CHOMP! on the heads of LCK's before spitting them out, figurately speaking, of course.

If you've been keeping up with Bitchett, she destroyed her dining room table recently. Thanks for "sharing" Bitchett, now the readers are getting a better understanding of how little they should pay attention to you. I learned that lesson in Prague. But her husband didn't think much of it, probably because with her around, he was surprised the table lasted 17 months, let alone the 17 years that it actually lasted.

But I digress. The main point of this entire post is that reading other posts, mostly on ibofb's site, is she really DOES have an problem with the various issues that surround the tool scam. However, Bitchett has chosen not to be vocal about it, as I have been, which I believe leads to the continuation of the tool scam. As long as her little 25% single legged world is okey-dokey, let them eat cake!

The harvest is plentiful, but the laborers few. (Luke 10:2).

In other words, in a non-religious application, we could all have profitable businesses if we could do away with the LCKs' tool scams, but very few are willing to stand up to these scammers.

P.S. By the way, I will be glad to start calling Bitchett by the name her mama gave her, but FIRST she has to apologize for calling me "wicked" for saying, effectively, "cancer--->bad, tool scam--->bad", instead of taking it out of context, as she did. I know she reads this blog, as well as mine, because she recently made reference to it. The ball is in your court, Bitchett.

tex said...

Willy said, on qblog (http://www.webraw.com/quixtar/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4400)

As far as Tex goes, he LIKES tool sales, just does not like to PAY for someone's "intellectual property". ---- I don't want to pay for a bait-and-switch scam.

He wants them to manufacture and distribute for COST. ---- WRONG. I don't mind them making a profit, as long as it is transparent.

He thinks you can live off the residuals from PB-BV$. ---- And you don't?

In the meantime I don't see him out building any retail sales. ---- How could you see me building retail sales, you don't even know me?

He wants the Pyramid, and the benefits of the "Pyramid" for FREE. ---- I want the benefits of the business for a reasonable and transparent price.

Other than that, you got everything right, Willy.

tex said...

Looks like Yager is getting close to accreditation:

To: All Yager Group Diamonds and Personals (Intended for all ibos)

Fr: The Yagers

Dt: 7/28/08

Re: Accreditation Update

InterNET is pleased to announce that the Quixtar Accreditation process is almost complete. InterNET staff is working with Quixtar to ensure that all of your InterNET produced tools and programs are of the highest standard and highest effectiveness in the industry.

Mark your calendars! Early August is when Quixtar plans to survey IBOs through an independent 3rd party (TNS Research Group). The survey will ensure the Yager Group's IBOs understanding and compliance with the IBO Communications Platform (see attached) or Best Practices messages which you have been receiving by email from your leadership. A condensed version of the IBO Communications Platform & the Speaker Platform Summary (attached). These documents will prepare you to answer survey questions easily if you are chosen to participate.

For your success,

The Yagers

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